Sundar Pichai’s advice for Indian Engineers, AI and India, Wrapper Startups, and More!
Summary
TLDRこのインタビューでは、AI技術に関する議論が中心となっています。ゲストはインドからの立場からAI開発の遅れを感じていると述べており、Googleの立場からはインドが重要な市場であり、AIのAPIがインドでも利用可能であると指摘しています。さらに、AIを活用してインドや世界に向けたアプリケーションを開発することが重要だと強調されています。また、若者たちがFANG企業の面接に合格するために学んでいるデータ構造やアルゴリズムの基礎を軽視しないようにとアドバイスがされています。AI技術の進歩についても触れており、自然言語でのプログラミングが可能になるなど、より高いレベルの抽象化が実現されると予想されています。
Takeaways
- 🎉 グーグルはAIを通じてインド市場に積極的に取り組んでおり、インドはグーグルにとってトップマーケットの一つです。
- 🚀 AIの基盤となるAPIがインドを含む世界中で利用可能で、インドの開発者も積極的に活用しています。
- 🇮🇳 インドには優れた開発者やエンジニアの人材がおり、グローバルに向けたアプリケーションの構築が可能とされています。
- 🌐 AIの進化により、テキスト、画像、ビデオをまたいで推論できるマルチモーダルなモデルが登場し、言語の壁を超える可能性が広がります。
- 🤖 AIはプログラミング言語やツールの進化を助け、より高いレベルの抽象化を可能にします。
- 🧐 深い理解を持つことで、技術の変化に柔軟に対応できます。プログラミング言語やツールは進化するが、深い理解は変わりません。
- 📚 基本的な知識をしっかりと把握することが重要で、単に試験に合格するためだけに学ぶのではなく、深く学ぶことが求められます。
- 💡 AIを用いたビジネスの価値は、そのモデルの上に追加される価値にあります。単純なラッパーではなく、モデルに追加的な価値を提供することが重要です。
- 🌟 AIは創造的な分野で、人々の想像を超えるアイデアを提供する「特徴」を発揮することができます。
- 📈 エンタープライズでクリエイティブな企業によるAIの採用が増えており、マーケティングキャンペーンなどにおいてAIの活用が進んでいます。
- 🛡️ グーグルはAIの進化と責任をバランスよく扱い、技術の進歩とユーザの期待に応えながらも、問題に対処し続けています。
- 🍔 インド各地の美味しい食べ物に言及し、地域ごとの食文化に対する愛着と理解が伝わってきます。
Q & A
スンドさんはどうしてAI技術がインドにとっても重要な時代だと考えていますか?
-スンドさんは、AI技術がインドにとって重要な時代であると見る理由として、グーグルにとってインドが最も重要な市場の一つであり、多くの製品に対して最大のユーザーベースを抱えていると述べています。また、AIの基本となるAPIがインドを含む世界中で利用可能であると指摘し、インドの開発者たちがすでにそれを活用していると感じています。
AI技術を活用してインドの開発者や起業家はどのようなアクションを取るべきですか?
-スンドさんはインドには非常に優れた開発者やエンジニアの人材がおり、彼らがこのトレンドを理解し、インドまたは世界に向けたアプリケーションを構築するように奨励していると答えています。
スンドさんはAIがもたらす多様性を持つ新しいモデルについてどう思いますか?
-スンドさんはAIの新しいモデルが多様性を持つと述べており、テキスト、画像、ビデオをまたがって推論することができると説明しています。これはインドにおいても、言語に関わらずビデオを見たり、質問をしたりできる未来をもたらすと期待しています。
スンドさんは若いインドのソフトウェアエンジニアたちに何のアドバイスをしていますか?
-スンドさんは深い理解を持つことが成功につながるとアドバイスしており、プログラミング言語やツールは変化するが、技術をより深く理解することで柔軟性を持てると述べています。
「ラッパースタートアップ」と呼ばれるスタートアップ企業に対してスンドさんはどう思いますか?
-スンドさんはラッパースタートアップが悪いわけではないが、単純なラッパーではなく、モデルの進化とともに価値を提供し続ける必要があるとコメントしています。
AIを活用した創造的な取り組みがどの業界で注目されていますか?
-スンドさんは特にマーケティングキャンペーンにおいて、創造的な代理としてAIを活用するプロジェクトが進んでいると述べており、創造的なアイデアを提供するだけでなく、日常的なタスクを簡素化するという2つの使用方法があると指摘しています。
スンドさんはAI技術が進化する中でどのようにバランスを保ちますか?
-スンドさんは技術が急速に発展しているものの未成熟であり、進化曲線に沿ってバランスを保ちながら責任を持って取り組む必要があると述べています。また、ユーザーからの反応が良好であることから、正しい方向に進んでいると感じていると語っています。
スンドさんはAI技術の誤解や批判に対してどのように対応していますか?
-スンドさんは技術の進化と共に批判も増えることを認識し、ユーザーからのフィードバックを積極的に受け取りながら、より良いサービスを提供するように努めると述べています。
スンドさんがインドで食べる最も好きな食べ物は何ですか?
-スンドさんはバンガロールでの滞在であればドサ、デリーであればチョリーブトラ、ムンバイであればパジャーというインド各地の代表的な食べ物を挙げています。
スンドさんはAI技術が今後どのように進化すると思いますか?
-スンドさんはAI技術がより高レベルの抽象化を提供し、自然言語での指示が可能になるなど、プログラマーをより良いものにすると期待しています。
Outlines
🤖 AI技術の発展とインドのポジション
ゲストはAI技術の発展とそれに伴うインドにおけるエンジニアや起業家の状況について話します。Googleはインドを重要な市場と位置づけており、AIを活用してインドにおける開発者や技術者を支援する意図を示しています。AIの多様なAPIがインドでも利用可能で、開発者が既に活用していると見ています。また、AIを通じてインドの開発者や技術者が世界に向けてアプリケーションを構築し、問題を解決する可能性についても触れています。
📚 プログラミング教育とAIの進化
ゲストはプログラミング教育における基礎的重要性と、AI技術がどのようにそれを変えていくかについて議論します。AIの進化により、より高レベルのプログラミング抽象化が実現され、自然言語での指示が可能になるという未来についても言及しています。また、AIがプログラムのデバッグやコードの生成を支援するという点も強調されています。
💡 AIを活用した創造性とビジネスモデル
AIを活用した創造性とビジネスモデルについて議論し、特にマーケティングキャンペーンにおけるAIの活用が進んでいると指摘しています。AIは単なるタスクの自動化を超えて、人々に新しいアイデアを提供するという側面も重要だと述べています。さらに、AI技術の進歩についても触れており、その影響を受ける企業や創造的な分野への採用についても言及しています。
🍽 インドの食文化と個人的な味覚
最後に、ゲストはインドの食文化について話し、自分のお気に入りの食べ物を3つの都市ごとに紹介しています。バンガロールでのドサ、デリーでのチョリー・ブトラ、ムンバイでのパンジーの好みを語り、インド各地の食文化の多様性と魅力を伝えています。
Mindmap
Keywords
💡AI
💡AI Coachella
💡デジタルインド
💡マルチモーダル
💡コーディング
💡ラッパースタートアップ
💡クリエイティブエンデAVOR
💡ファング
💡ジョージア
💡オープンソース
Highlights
Aron expresses his excitement and honor to be at AI Coachella and discusses the rapid pace of AI development in Silicon Valley.
Sundar Pichai emphasizes India as one of Google's top markets with a significant user base and large teams, indicating Google's focus on AI in the context of India.
The availability of AI's underlying APIs globally, including in India, positions the country well for AI development.
India's strong base of developers and engineering talent is highlighted as a key asset for building AI applications.
Google's AI models being multimodal and capable of reasoning across text, images, and video is discussed as a future trend.
The importance of understanding technology deeply rather than focusing on competitive exam mindsets is stressed.
AI's potential to help with higher-level programming abstractions and make programming easier is mentioned.
The concept of 'rapper startups' is introduced, referring to startups built on top of models like Gemini.
Sundar advises against being a shallow wrapper and emphasizes the importance of adding value and considering the forward curve of models.
AOS's focus on finding problem statements and the realization that AI models can be creative in tasks requiring accuracy is shared.
The increasing enterprise adoption of AI by creative companies, particularly in marketing campaigns, is discussed.
Hallucination in AI is considered a feature for creative endeavors rather than a bug.
Google's approach to being bold and responsible in developing AI, despite challenges and criticisms, is highlighted.
The balance between moving fast with AI development and taking time to get things right is discussed.
Sundar Pichai's long-term optimism on Google's position in the AI landscape, owning the means of distribution, is shared.
Sundar's favorite foods from different regions in India are mentioned, showing a personal touch to the conversation.
Transcripts
Sund thank you so much for having me
it's an absolute honor to be here I've
seen so many Keynotes of yours right
like through the screen and it's a
fanboy moment for me to be here you know
with you right across me and let me just
get started right I think somebody here
mentioned that this is AI Coachella and
it felt like AI Coachella Madness right
so many new things uh that came out the
engineer and the Creator in me is super
excited but I come from India and I feel
like you know it feels like this is an
AI race and Silicon Valley is like
moving really fast I feel you're sort of
getting left behind if you were an
engineer back home in India or you were
an entrepreneur there what would you do
to keep up well first of all uh good to
talk to you Aron and congrats on uh a
great Channel and the work you do look I
I see it a bit differently when I think
about AI even as Google thinks about AI
for us now India is one of our top
markets right we have both for many of
our products um it's it's our largest
user base we have large teams in India
so we've been thinking about AI in the
context of India the second is unlike
past Technologies the underlying apis
for AI are available everywhere
including India and I so I see
developers already using it so I think
India is a well
positioned I think in terms of me I
would what AI offers is for anyone to
use it and solve build applications and
solve problems so I think to me for
India this is a moment India has an
extraordinary base of developers
engineering Talent so for them to
understand this trend and build
applications in a way that makes sense
either for India or for the world from
India I think both are exciting
possibilities so I would I would view it
that way from from a Google perspective
I'm excited because one of the things we
are doing with AI is really breaking
barriers I think the fact that all our
new models are multimodal so they can
reason across text images
video so which means the way it'll come
to India is you could be watching any
video you want in any language even if
that content was not didn't exist in
your language
or people who can just look at things
and ask questions so that is the future
so if anything I I viewed as part of
continuing to help digital India you
know getting more and more people there
comfortable with technology and giving
them access to technology so I think
it's huge and you were talking about
software Engineers right like I don't
know if you know this but there's an
entire industry in India built to help
young Indians crack the Fang interview
and you know these are generally very
smart kids but unfortunately you know
they're just glazing over the
fundamentals and then root learning data
structures and algorithms I don't know
if you've heard of this uh and now they
see a big shift coming right Gemini can
write code you have you'll have a pair
programmer available pretty quickly uh
do you have advice for these people how
how is it how do you get out of the
competitive exam mindset with all these
shifts coming about I think it's a great
question uh I hope I think real success
comes from understanding things in a
deeper way right and and and uh almost
tempted to go back to the movie Three
Idiots or something like that and like
you know there's a scene in there I
think when they ask Amir Khan the
definition of a motor and like you know
there is a there's a version you just
describe what a motor is and there's a
version where you actually understand
what a motor is so I view it's the same
way it quite doesn't change you have
to you know understand the technology in
a deeper way if you do you can
transition you can do do things
programming languages may change the
tools you use May evolve but you're
understanding the stack in a much deeper
way so that's what I would encourage
people to do
always uh programming is going to get
easier in a way that's better right you
know all of us are already thankful we
don't have to write an assembly code or
you know you know we are we used to
higher level
abstractions AI will help with even
higher level abstractions you're going
to use natural language you're going to
tell sometime hey can you just debug
this code for me and explain what
happened and it'll do it just going to
make you a better programmer so I think
it's more important to you know go
deeper rather than trying to like learn
the thing of that moment yeah
interesting and you know I don't know if
you spent time on Twitter like recently
but a lot of people you know there's a
word for startups being built on top of
models like Gemini right uh it's kind of
derogatory in nature uh it's called a
rapper startup youve heard of rapper
startups right you have thoughts on that
like I feel like there if if you build
for use cases it should be commercially
viable but would love to hear it from
you there are going to be apis and
people are going to use
apis I think that is the way things will
get build so you know it's not bad to be
a wrapper just you shouldn't be a
shallow
wrapper where I think you have to think
about where the models are going and
make sure youen doing something which
just in the next version of the model
will be done natively by the model
itself got it that will have a short
shelf
life but if you're using AI to solve a
real world use
case in a way which which involves a few
more things you're doing or chaining
multiple model model chaining multiple
models you know you have to think about
the value you're adding on top of the
model in whatever way chaining multiple
things together and also thinking about
the forward curve of the models and make
sure the models just aren't going to do
that so I think it's a combination of
both of them yeah that's that's actually
a very profound way to look at it right
like the value on top of the model is
what people will eventually pay for I
started a company this year it was
called AOS and we're sort of like we
were looking for problem statements
right we said models are going to be
dime or dozen some are going to be open
source and you've actually contributed
to open source quite a bit right uh and
one of the things we realized and I
don't know who to attribute this score
to but hallucination seems to be a bug
for things for tasks that require
accuracy yeah but it seems to be a
feature for Creative Endeavors and so
slowly we found that even our client
base uh sort of they wanted us to help
them with creative Endeavors have you
seen more Enterprise adoption by
creative
companies very much so right I think
particularly as people are thinking
about like take marketing campaigns for
example we have good projects underway
with like creative agencies advertising
agencies where they actually want to
push the frontier you know there are two
ways you can imagine using it using it
to just kind of take the mundane tasks
and make it
easier but there are also people who
want these models to come up with things
which otherwise they wouldn't have done
and there you're exactly right I think
Hallucination is a feature not a bug
right and uh and that's the way I would
think about these models uh for that
purpose and if you go back to the alphao
game there was a moment in which the
model moved 37 I think yeah when it made
that move which no human prior to it had
done before right it was a creative
intuitive way of uh playing the Go game
and that's what you hope these models
will do because they they think in an
unconstrained way so Google got into a
little bit of trouble recently with um
you were generating historical
characters with some racial
inaccuracies now
I feel like typically that should have
stopped a company like Google or at
least really slowed it down and it
definitely has slowed down some of your
competitors and no longer shipping like
publicly usable products but I feel it's
not stopped you this time and I feel um
today everyone on the Internet is a
Critic like even if you do your best
work and you really put intent behind it
and you're being transparent about
everything people are complaining do you
feel like just the number of people
complaining on the internet has gone up
and that's also given you air cover to
to ship boldly me we spoke about it last
year at Google IO we we fra you know we
encapsulated as being bold and
responsible and I think you know with a
technology like that which is developing
fast but it's still immature you have to
ride the curve where you're
pushing but you also be as responsible
but there is some tradeoff and you're
trying to find that optimal point but I
think there's a lot of user excitement
so that's what is guiding us to say
people people are ready for it right and
and you know we are rolling out AI
overviews in search people are really
embracing it and responding to it so I
think I think you people are finding it
helpful so that gives us the confidence
that we are in the right direction and
so which is why you see is moving fast
but there'll be moments you know when we
feel okay maybe this technology you know
it's important to spend more time
getting this right so we'll balance it
but on the balance here we moving boldly
yeah I'm very long-term bullish on
Google I think llms I mean a lot of this
is going to get commoditized but uh you
own the means to distribution YouTube
Chrome Android so thank you so much for
doing all you do and like I said it's
been an honor well likewise on greatly
enjoyed it thanks
[Music]
food in India what's your favorite food
well it's Bangalore uh I will probably
get a Dosa uh it's my favorite food if
it is Delhi a choli butra and if it's
Mumbai I'll do a paji nice all right
thank you so much
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